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I just did a little check when I saw the rumor that Sylvester McCoy (the 7th Dr. Who) had been tapped to play Bilbo. I love Sylvester but wondered if he was a bit long in the tooth now. Well, more rumors which no one will substantiate say that he'll play an older version of Bilbo recounting his adventures and who knows who will play his younger part?  Saw a blurb  with a partial casting list, including a part for a completely invented female elf lead, named Itaril, who is supposed to be a warrior falling for an unnamed elf lord -- apparently coming from Rivendell. Can you say fanfic here?  Guess this is the attempt to put some wimmin in Tolkien's world.  I was disappointed when looking at the casting list that Thranduil was not mentioned.  Wtf?   

Guess we don't know anything until they decide to announce it.

Date: 2010-07-24 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaotic-binky.livejournal.com
I never got the impression, in the book, that Bilbo was an old hobbit - middle aged maybe but nowhere near looking as old as Sylvester McCoy (personally, I found him irritating in Dr Who).

An invented female lead? Seems they are buggering up the story before they even start. Are they so insecure that they cannot film the book as it is.

Sigh! Perhaps it would be better if the film was not made - by PJ in any case.

Hugs Binky xxx

Date: 2010-07-24 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfscribe5.livejournal.com
Well, putting in some women might not be so bad, but I think it's one thing to augment Arwen's role as they did and another to fanfiction a whole new role with a completely new invented subplot. Huh?

Date: 2010-07-24 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaotic-binky.livejournal.com
Maybe Thranduil is not in the movie because a female will be in it instead.lol

Date: 2010-07-24 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfscribe5.livejournal.com
Who knows what they're doing? An Elf Queen instead of King? Oh PJ should know better than that one.

Date: 2010-07-24 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaotic-binky.livejournal.com
I hope he doesn't dress the elves in curtaining material again. I suspected that he got lucky at a fire damage sale when I watched the LOTR films.

Date: 2010-11-15 10:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ardisia.livejournal.com
I agree with you on every point there, Binky.

And I'm still smarting from the loss of Glorfindel, last time round.
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Date: 2010-07-24 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfscribe5.livejournal.com
Nice to get the scuttlebutt from ComicCon. That doesn't sound promising though. You'd think that as desperate as Hollywood is for a successful motion picture, that someone would figure out how to get this one done.

I don't think you're alone in wanting some female characters, but as we all know they are few and far between in canon. That bugged me too in past readings of LOTR not so much the absence of women's roles but the very traditional nature of the roles they did have. But that's Tolkien. As I said to Binky, I actually approved of augmenting Arwen's role (as sad as I was not to have Glorfindel appear)and I can even see developing some roles for some of the female elves, but to completely invent a whole subplot that wasn't in the Hobbit? Not so sure about that. Leave that to the fanficcers. And I can't believe Peter Jackson would be so out of the fan loop that he wouldn't give Thranduil a big role. For me, that will be the most disappointing thing, if he really edits Thranduil out.

Date: 2010-07-25 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-o.livejournal.com
Was Saving Private Ryan a disappointment because there weren't any real female roles in it? No, it was the kind of movie (war story) and the historical setting that dictated that. Would it have been improved by the addition of a spunky female French Resistance fighter? Don't think so.

Are we all so unimaginative that we can't possibly identify with a character who happens to be a different gender from our own?

I can even see developing some roles for some of the female elves, but to completely invent a whole subplot that wasn't in the Hobbit?

There's a story there -- the campaign on Dol Guldur -- that lends itself to such a thing.

Date: 2010-07-25 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfscribe5.livejournal.com
I agree. I can honestly say when I first read The Hobbit hmmmm a while ago at age thirteen, I honestly didn't and still to this day don't say to myself, gee that book would really be improved by a bunch of female characters.
And clearly many of us do identify with characters of different genders. *g*
Yes, now that you mention it, I did hear about developing the campaign on Dol Guldur. It certainly gives Gandalf more of a chance to flail about with his staff. I actually agree with that one and if that's what they are talking about, I think it would be great. Why have an unknown elf lord then? Why not Glorfindel? Unless of course they are just being coy with what they are releasing. Ah well, this is all idle speculation. I have no doubt I'll go see it, despite majoring tampering. But please, why do they need to invent a female elf?

Date: 2010-07-25 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phyncke.livejournal.com
Gah. I think the original story is good enough, thank you very much. Why would they do that...not that we don't do that all the time. What made the other movies so good is that they were pretty faithful to the original story.

This just seems wrong to me. Sounds like something I don't want to see.

Date: 2010-07-25 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfscribe5.livejournal.com
I think it's the Hollywood check list that a movie must follow. In action adventure, there must also be a romance (er um heterosexual if you please -- don't want to freak out the peoples and get boycotted and all that other jazz.) So, they gots to create some for this, 'cause for sure there wasn't any in the Hobbit. I agree with you, personally, I think they didn't need to do that. Or if they did, how about romance between Thranduil and his queen, or something.

Well, we know that no matter how cute the girl elf and her handsome elf lord are together - there will be those among us will be pairing the elf lord and Bard or better yet the elf lord and the missing Thranduil. lol.
Edited Date: 2010-07-25 03:06 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-07-25 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-o.livejournal.com
Saw a blurb with a partial casting list, including a part for a completely invented female elf lead, named Itaril, who is supposed to be a warrior falling for an unnamed elf lord -- apparently coming from Rivendell. Can you say fanfic here?

Can you say Randy turning even more curmudgeon than previously. I always used to roll my eyes at those staunch book defenders who hated -- absolutely hated!-- PJ's movie because of the changes. But if they fuck up Thranduil, fasten your seatbelts.

I was disappointed when looking at the casting list that Thranduil was not mentioned. Wtf?

Well, do recall that in The Hobbit the Elvenking is never named. Galion is the one and only Mirkwood elf with a name until the subsequent trilogy.

I even made a joke about that in an AU spoof of the whole thing. Thranduil is bitching because the Men of Laketown can never remember his name, even after he spells it for them. Legolas consoles him by saying, "Cheer up, Adar, no one even notices that I'm here at all."

From what you're saying, I think it might be best if they never make this movie at all.

Date: 2010-07-25 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfscribe5.livejournal.com
Before the Fellowship movie came out, I remember following the scuttlebutt and thinking WHAT! They're replacing Glorfindel with Arwen? (Definitely in the curmudgeonly vein) but when I actually saw the movie, I thought, okay I can see why. Because pure Tolkien, complete with its quaint elements of sexism, racism, and classicism can be a bit much for modern audiences. Plus the screenwriters need to limit the number of characters and give them something more to do. I was okay with what they did with Arwen - mostly. I wasn't happy with Elrond showing up with Anduril or a couple of other changes they made, but hey . . . overall it was a great job.
If they fuck up Thranduil, fasten your seatbelts LOL! Surely they have people on staff with their pulse on the internet fanscene who have an inkling of how wrong that would be.
I had forgotten the elf king is never named. Need to go back and reread the Hobbit, clearly. Where's your spoof posted?
Oh no, not good if they don't make it. After teasing us like this, they had better make this movie and it had better come up to my personal standards of excellence or I'll rant about on the internets in true trollish fashion. LOL!!
Edited Date: 2010-07-25 10:31 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-07-25 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randy-o.livejournal.com
I didn't mind Arwen rescuing them all at the ford. Now, if they'd gone ahead with her leading a detachment of elves to Helms Deep, I think that would have been a bit much. Seriously.

As juvenile as it is in places, The Hobbit is my book, because it's the main guide to life in Mirkwood. I can easily see them messing it up in order to make it more appealing to 'today's' audience.

Where's your spoof posted?
On my Live Journal under the tag 'nine and a half weeks' which should give you a clue as to the content. It's too vile and despicable to be posted anywhere else.

Date: 2010-07-25 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malinorne2003.livejournal.com
Another rumour says McCoy was rather asked to play Thorin than Bilbo, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Okay to an invented female elf, but a lead... and her being a warrior? Ahem.

IMHO, The Hobbit is a fantastic, fun adventure story as it was written and adding elements of romance to it will just look silly. Aragorn and Arwen were beautifully done in the LOTR movies, but the tender scenes still made me cringe, out of jealousy perhaps, or because she replaced my favourite book elf.

The idea that Thranduil might be left out is scary. But could they really do that after his portrayal in the Bakshi movie?

That said, if the film ends up re-creating even one tenth of the general atmosphere of the LOTR ones, I suspect I will love it in spite of almost anything they might do. [I wish I could say I'd boycot it if Thranduil's role is diminished, but I know I will not have the strengh to!]

Date: 2010-07-25 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfscribe5.livejournal.com
Right, the Hobbit is a kid's book, whereas LOTR is really not. I don't think the Hobbit will be improved by a romance. But we'll just have to trust that since PJ and company did such a good job with LOTR that they won't muck this one up.
I don't remember Thranduil in Bakshi's movie. I must have blocked it out.
Right, we will all go out and see it and then there will be the inevitable comparisons with the ideals in our heads. I really, really want a good movie that I can thoroughly enjoy as much as I did LOTR.

Date: 2010-07-26 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malinorne2003.livejournal.com
I may be mixing things up re. previous film version(s), as I haven't seen any. What I meant was the animated movie where elves are portrayed like midgets with green skin and Thranduil looks like a toad with a wig :(

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